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Aelin Lovelace ([personal profile] elialshadowpine) wrote2012-03-29 10:23 am

[unfiltered] Women in Urban Fantasy and Mistreatment Thereof

I love urban fantasy. I have for years. I started out with Mercedes Lackey's Diana Tregarde series, then discovered Laurell K. Hamilton's Anita Blake books, and longed for more. For a long while, it just didn't exist. Annnnnd then it boomed.

Unfortunately, there's a pattern in urban fantasy that I have a huge problem with and has been turning me off the genre more and more. And that's the treatment of women in urban fantasy. You would think this wouldn't be an issue. After all, most urban fantasy these days features a tough, competent, kickass heroine. What could go wrong? Well, a lot of things.

Most prevalent is the overwhelming tendency to completely defang women. Hear me out. Most modern urban fantasy has a heavy romantic subplot and borrows heavily from romance tropes. Being a writer myself, I follow a lot of writing circles, and I can't tell you how many times I have heard someone say, "I have this awesome heroine, but she's so capable, she does everything! And I need to make the hero sexy! And nobody will find the hero sexy if the heroine can do better than him!"

Ignoring the obvious solution of having the hero and heroine have completely different and complementary strengths, far too many writers go for the TSTL solution. If I had a penny for every time I saw a heroine do something completely out of character... *sigh*

Like, oh, storming off for no good reason and doing something utterly stupid that nobody competent in their field would do. Usually because, well, the hero suggested it, and thus he must be wrong. And if there was a good reason for the heroine to disagree, great! But that's often not it at all. It's a matter of cutting off her nose to spite her face. It's a plot device to put the heroine in a position where the hero has to come to the rescue and save her from her own stupidity -- and frankly, this is just insulting. And it's common. Ridiculously common. And it's lazy writing.

It's one thing if, hey, the heroine runs into odds that she can't beat, or an enemy that's stronger than her, or gets outwitted by someone equally as capable. But that's not what's happening. These are situations the author is forcing the heroine into by making her act out of character for the purpose of giving the hero a moment to shine. Why not put the characters in situations where both their skills are needed? But, that wouldn't allow the heroine to be the damsel in distress, now would it?

One of the other major issues in urban fantasy in regards to women is how the heroines relate to other women. In a genre that is so focused on strong female characters, it is pretty shocking how few heroines actually have relationships with other women. Often, other women are not friends and allies, but the enemy. Often, the heroine looks down on other women. And you see the same trope over and over again -- the leather-clad dark and tortured gun-toting heroine whose strength is all physical or perhaps supernatural.

This is really just the whole "girl in the boy's club" thing rearing its head. Femininity is derided while masculinity is put on a pedestal. Rarely do we see women who enjoy feminine things, and when we do, it's usually a slight touch rather than an integral part of the character. Even Anita Blake, with her stuffed penguin collection, dismisses and derides other women. It's been a long time since I read the books, admittedly, and I haven't read the recent ones, but of the early series, all the characters that I recall her being close to were male.

(Mind, the problem is not that masculine-leaning heroines exist. The problem is that they are the sole archetype that we see commonly in urban fantasy heroines.[1])

Very few urban fantasies actually pass the Bechdel test (two women, who talk to each other, about something other than a man). For a genre that is supposedly woman-focused, that's just sad. Where are all the relationships between women? Most of us have friends who are women, mothers, sisters, aunts, etc. Where are they?

So what's the solution here? It comes down to writers being aware of the social implications their fiction will have. Because words have meanings, and stories have power. If they didn't have power, Piers Anthony's Mode books wouldn't have helped me when I was a suicidal teen, and Mercedes Lackey's books wouldn't have helped me come to terms with my bisexuality.

When even supposedly strong heroines are undermined at every turn and cannot succeed without the aid of a man, the underlying message is that of Well, if $awesomecharacter can't do it, why should I believe I can? Women are already at a disadvantage in society, with all the negative messages lobbed at us. We should be able to read fiction that empowers us, not reinforces that we are nothing without a man.

I am not saying that heroines should be all-powerful, because that would be boring. But if you're writing about a top-notch FBI agent, you don't have her forget basic gun safety. You don't have her barging into trouble without thinking about it. You don't have her so distracted by the hero's good looks that she misses the villain's move and gets trapped (and yes, I have read this). It sends a very negative message.

So how do you get around it when you need the heroine to screw up somewhere? Well, make it a believable screw-up, not something that a rookie would do (unless your character is a rookie, but most of the heroines I've seen in urban fantasy are purported to be some of the best at what they do). Or, hey, maybe she doesn't have all the information, makes a decision on what she knows, and then finds out that she was missing a vital piece of the puzzle.

But you know what I'd love to see more of? I'd love to see more heroines who get themselves out of that pickle, rather than heroines who have to be rescued by the hero. But, how do I manage an alpha hero and heroine and their power struggle without having one or the other knuckle under? Not everything has to be a power struggle, although they can be fun to write. The best alpha heroes I've read have been adept in their own field but respected the heroine in hers and listened to her opinions. But what if they're both experts in the same field? Well, hey, they're probably going to argue -- but the automatic reaction shouldn't be for the heroine to be the one who's wrong. Mix it up a little. Or hey! Maybe they're both wrong.

There's a lot of focus on alpha heroes in urban fantasy and a need to make them sexy. You know what? The sexiest heroes I've read aren't the ones who are always rescuing the artificially created dumbass heroine -- they're the ones who respect the heroine, her abilities, her strengths, and love her for who she is. The ones who aren't threatened by a strong woman. The ones who know when it's appropriate to take a backseat. The ones who know when it's time to stand their ground, and when it's time to say, "Hey, you know more about this than I do", or "I don't agree, but let's compromise." It's not an all or nothing situation.

I'd love to see more women who have relationships with other women, too. I'd also like to see a greater breadth of heroines -- heroines of color, heroines with disabilities, queer heroines, etc! Or hey, maybe not the heroine but a lady friend who is one of the above, or someone deeply involved in the story. I'd love to see more focus on this, because the lone uber!heroine surrounded by a sausage-fest is getting old.

This is something that writers have the power to change. Let's change it.


[1] I know there are exceptions to this. Please do not focus on them. This is a widespread issue, and the fact that there are exceptions does not negate that the overwhelming majority of urban fantasy heroines fits only one archetype.

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[identity profile] spitphyre.livejournal.com 2012-03-29 10:19 pm (UTC)(link)
She said that if fans want more they should write to the publisher. I did and the response I got was really dismissive but I know that it will matter if enough people do it...

[identity profile] spitphyre.livejournal.com 2012-03-29 10:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I haven't read enough faerie stuff to get there so I loved her take :P Never fear (for you) though! Each one of her books gets better than the last and since her books have gotten so good that means they can only continue on that trajectory! I have high hopes for the rest of the Incryptid series. (And her Mira Grant titles are spectacular as well)

[identity profile] spitphyre.livejournal.com 2012-03-29 10:27 pm (UTC)(link)
The novel I'm almost done with is traditional fantasy but I have an urban fantasy series in the works for down the line. But in the one I'm currently immersed in about half my characters are queer. :P The main character is ostensibly straight for most of her story but I don't think she would have a relationship at all if it weren't for the need of an heir (until the end of the series after she realizes how much some other people mean to her) ... however I think she's actually poly and bi (though again, it won't matter until the third book since she's pretty uninterested in sex for a majority of her life.)

[identity profile] elialshadowpine.livejournal.com 2012-03-29 10:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Lordie. I have read so much faerie stuff. I swear to gods if I read another damn book with the Wild Hunt, I may just throttle something (because I think at this point it's nearing a dozen books with pretty similar takes on it).

I think I only read the first one and liked it but haven't gone back to it yet. My TBR list is huge. It's good I switched to an e-reader because um well *looks at the full wardrobe full of books and the three cartons of books on the floor*

I'm waiting on the release of the 3rd book to start in on the Mira Grant series. Since I have heard the 2nd ends on a cliffhanger.

[identity profile] elialshadowpine.livejournal.com 2012-03-29 10:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't really hold much hope that actually works, considering I know of huge letter writing campaigns for books that never went anywhere. Or didn't until something like 5yrs later :-\

[identity profile] elialshadowpine.livejournal.com 2012-03-29 10:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Is she asexual? (Which doesn't negate poly/bi.)

It has been very freeing to actually write what I want to instead of sticking to things that "will sell". At this point, I know that even if I can't find a publisher, I have the option of self-publishing, and that's really pretty major.

[identity profile] spitphyre.livejournal.com 2012-03-29 10:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not entirely sure if she is or not. Sometimes I think yes, sometimes I think no. More often than not I think yes. At this point in the series she's pretty young though so I'm not going to worry about it too much until I'm writing about her going through puberty :P I have a lot of the series plotted out but some details like that are eluding me until I get to certain points.

I'm not so sure that sexual orientation and non-traditional relationships are a barrier in mainstream fantasy at the moment. Though I think it depend on how it's done but I think publishers realize a significant number of their readers are actually open to homosexual themes in a variety of ways. ... So long as it doesn't take up the entire story. (Like the LBGQTA literature wouldn't fly because there's no het relationships or enough characters of the opposite gender and that makes them uncomfortable.) But in Robin Hobb's new series there's some gay men and my friend John's novels are about a newly-out lesbian. It's not where I'd like to see it and who knows if it will matter in five years (since the big publishers might just go away) but it does give me some hope.

[identity profile] spitphyre.livejournal.com 2012-03-29 10:55 pm (UTC)(link)
The cliffhanger is soooooo good omg! I am itching for it to come out! :P

The Wild Hunt is in (I think) the third Toby book. I'm not sure how similar it is to others since the only other series I've read with one was Anne Bishop's Tir Alainn trilogy but it's a traditional fantasy series and the Wild Hunt is a pretty cool tool but more of a background to the story of witches reclaiming their heritage. ... I think other than that the only faerie series I've read was Rachelle Mead's and that is incredibly problematic.

Yeah... I don't have all my books out because I don't have room for them. Though I'm still buying hard copies of the books that mean the most to me because I am a bit of a collector *sigh* This is probably a bad thing. Luckily I've forced myself to stop clicking buy every time I see a new e-book I like.

[identity profile] elialshadowpine.livejournal.com 2012-03-29 10:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh! I didn't realise she was a kid. I thought you were talking about a young adult. :)

I'd like to think that, but then I read the number of posts from authors who have been told by their agent/editor/publisher that "it won't sell." I think that they are slowly starting to come around that, HEY, people want to read this stuff. It isn't likely to affect me quite as much because I'm looking into e-publishing (because there is no way I could handle a NY publishing schedule with my health as it is). Though if I do get with a good e-pub house, I do wonder how they are going to take the trans heroine I have in a later book...

[identity profile] elialshadowpine.livejournal.com 2012-03-29 11:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Dear gods, I swear, EVERY single YA faerie related book (or series) I have read has had the Wild Hunt in it. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. It's kinda ridiculous. (I know this is a me-thing at this point; I just want to see a faerie book without it once, pleeeeeease.)

I have only actually read Richelle Mead's Vampire Academy books. I have the faerie ones but haven't picked them up to read yet; what's up with them, if you don't mind my asking?

Oh, I'm glad I'm not the only one who has a bad habit of one-clicking ebooks. It's worse when they are like cheap. Cause, yeah. Fwee.

[identity profile] spitphyre.livejournal.com 2012-03-29 11:07 pm (UTC)(link)
She will be! The series spans her whole life. At the end of the first book she'll be 15 but it will only be a couple chapters. For most of it she's 11. I just know parts of her later life really well because I started "working" on the story 8 years ago :P

I've read some of those too though most of the writers have been working in YA which is both understandable (since "what about the children?!") and depressing (since the YA crowd needs these stories). I wonder if we learned the names of the editors involved with the decisions to keep homosexuality out of books (all of the posts I've read haven't named the editors) we'd find them to be the same few people over and over ... I know who John's editor is and she's clearly open to queer characters but that's only one person. And I wonder if certain publishers are more open to it than others. I know Tor and Eos have been, I think Daw has been but don't quote me on that.
Edited 2012-03-29 23:08 (UTC)

TW: Rape

[identity profile] spitphyre.livejournal.com 2012-03-29 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Well the main character makes some (IMO) weird relationship choices. I get that domineering male lovers are a trope of romance novels and lots of people like them but there was something really squicky about one of the guys Eugine keeps coming back to. At least to me. I mean she's constantly learning that he lied to her to manipulate her into doing something she's vehemently opposed to and I just am not comfortable with that.
ETA: Actually, now that I think about it, both of the guys she's with off and on in the series lie to her and manipulate her for their own ends. She'll get mad at one then go to the other and forgive him and then find out about another lie and go back to the other and hate that guy she just left... It's really dysfunctional.

She also doesn't have a lot of female influence on her life for most of the series but that isn't the big thing.

The big one (to me) was that in the third book she is kidnapped by a man who wants to use her for the same reason that one lover of hers does and wants to unite their kingdoms. So he keeps her locked in a room for like a month and rapes her repeatedly. But - as so often happens - after she breaks free it is sort of forgotten. It's not entirely forgotten but most of that is because she's mad at one of her lovers for making the "wrong choice" about her rapist when he came to rescue her. There are a couple other times when she thinks about it vaguely but pretty much after she enacts her revenge being locked in a fucking room and raped repeatedly has very little impact on her mental well being.

The last thing is a bit of a spoiler and I wasn't the only person who was bothered by this but I'll cut it in case you don't want to read it. It's not triggering and it's not a usual problem but I just found it weird. Really weird. Especially given the fact that she wrote part of this book while pregnant. I find it a little off putting as a writer because it was lazy and off putting as a feminist since it seems like a bit of a judgement on motherhood

So I know Mead doesn't think an action heroine should be a mother and I get her reasoning but she decided to have Eugine get pregnant at the end of the second to the last book. It was a huge deal since literally the entire series is about how if she gets pregnant she might give birth to the man who will destroy humanity. So the end of the book is a big build up to her decision and what not. Then the first half of the last book is almost entirely dedicated her pregnancy and what's going to happen when her babies are born. There are some brief mentions about some other Plot Stuff that will matter later but mostly it's about the babies.

Then she has the babies. So goes to huge lengths to protect them and goes to this out of the way place for a month or something and has her children.

And almost immediately takes off.

Ok, whatever, she is an action hero but the last half of the book is so not about her children it's disturbing. And at the end she decides she's pretty much never going to see her kids even though the reason she had them hidden is no longer an issue. She decides to start a life with their father and never tell him they were his kids and then doesn't bring her kids with her. It just felt flat and strange - especially from someone about to become a mother herself though it wold have been strange in any case - and some sort of weird judgement on working mothers. After putting up with a terribly handled rape - which is something I really have issues with - and continuing with the series it felt like a massive let down. And it is the last book in the series so it's not like that will be resolved.
Edited 2012-03-29 23:32 (UTC)

[identity profile] everstar3.livejournal.com 2012-03-29 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
The thing about Seanan McGuire's Wild Hunt is that it's really fucking creepy. At least, I thought it was. The hunters aren't just fae, they're perverted fae: fae that have been twisted by the huntmaster into unholy amalgamations of different types. Oh, and they're fae children. The mounts, likewise, are transformed-but-aware human children. I mean. CREEPY. I can't remember another treatment of the Wild Hunt that had the same idea.

[identity profile] everstar3.livejournal.com 2012-03-29 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
No, I need to get it! And I don't blame you for not being knocked out by Rosemary and Rue: I think it and Local Habitation (which are the first two books) are the weakest of the series, which is a real shame if you're trying to get into them.

[identity profile] everstar3.livejournal.com 2012-03-30 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
The Psy-Changeling series is actually one of the series I was alluding to, but I'm one of those "read romances? Me?" types. XD I love the sense of Pack that Singh elicits and the way she combines people from different ethnic and racial backgrounds without obliterating the backgrounds. (Although it will never stop making me twitch that there's a female Psy Councilor named Nikita. NIKITA IS A MAN'S NAME. THAT'S WHY NIKITA KHRUSHCHEV WAS NAMED NIKITA KHRUSHCHEV. It's way too late to do anything about it, but every time, I'm like NOT A WOMAN'S NAME.)

I started Meljean Brook's Guardian series, but while it's okay, it's not as good as Psy-Changeling. The excerpts I've seen of her steampunk stuff seem much stronger than the Guardians, which I find odd.

[identity profile] elialshadowpine.livejournal.com 2012-03-30 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
Aha. I liked Rosemary but I had trouble getting into Habitation, and I keep meaning to go back, buuut. I think she's also nearly finished with the series at this point? So I might wait till it's done and then gobble them all up. ^_^

[identity profile] elialshadowpine.livejournal.com 2012-03-30 12:08 am (UTC)(link)
I am not ashamed to say I read romance and like it. ;) Honestly, there is some stuff there that is as good as fantasy, sometimes better.

I assumed the Nikita thing was cause the name was popularized by the La Femme Nikita show. And, hm, there are a lot of names that can be both. Ashley used to be a boy's name; so did Leslie. As far as Russian, I've seen a lot of male Russian names used for women in the US. Sasha, for one example.

I actually just finished the first Guardian book cause I loved her steampunk stuff. It is not nearly as good, IMO.

[identity profile] elialshadowpine.livejournal.com 2012-03-30 12:17 am (UTC)(link)
Some of the authors speaking up with the Gay YA thing were also referring to adult work, too. :-\

I do think some publishers are more open than others. Del Rey is fairly traditional, and so is Baen to an extent. DAW is pretty open from what I've heard, or at least it used to be.

[identity profile] elialshadowpine.livejournal.com 2012-03-30 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
Ooo. That sounds quite a bit more interesting. Most of the versions I've seen of the Wild Hunt have been -- really really weak and leaving me wondering "Why am I supposed to be scared here?" With the exception of Melissa Marr's, but, um, the protagonist of one of the books is a member of the Hunt, so it's not like they're particularly bad guys either.

Re: TW: Rape

[identity profile] elialshadowpine.livejournal.com 2012-03-30 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
o.O

That is some disturbing shit, ngl. I'm really not sure how to react besides "BWUH??"

[identity profile] everstar3.livejournal.com 2012-03-30 12:26 am (UTC)(link)
Oh gosh, what do I want to say about Mercy.

1) There are not a lot of women werewolves. It's established pretty early on that werewolves almost never give birth, because the power that lets them heal quickly tends to re-absorb the blastocyst before the pregnancy can progress. (There's one werewolf we meet who, as far as we know, is the sole exception: he's Charles and he's the male protagonist of the Alpha and Omega series.) So practically every werewolf in existence has been transformed, and to survive the transformation and control your wolf, you have to be... of a certain toughness? Compassionate people make terrible werewolves, evidently, because the wolf wants to hunt and kill things, and people who can't roll with that can't control their wolves and end up having to be killed. Now. This should not necessarily translate into a lack of gender parity, but it does. There are generally only one or two women per pack, IIRC, and they get ranked as less dominant than the men because they're women. Which is not to say they're not dominant: there's a fight in one of the later Mercy books that turns on whether or not a woman has the right to challenge another wolf. The traditional ranking says no, but everybody knows the traditional ranking is BS. On the other hand, there isn't really a feminist werewolf movement. I wouldn't say Mercy's an alpha. It's more that all of the werewolf rules simply don't apply to her because she's not a werewolf, which leaves all the werewolves sort of at sea about how she fits in.

2. The rape. Oh gosh. What do I want to say about the rape.

On the one hand, I completely get the argument for it being gratuitous and unnecessary and oh DID YOU HAVE TO GO THERE. More frustratingly, it's happened to both Mercy and Anna, the protagonist of the Alpha and Omega series. I really wish that once Briggs'd decided that was Anna's background, she hadn't done that to Mercy, because it ends up feeling like that's what happens to women in her books. (I kind of want to go, "But she's writing about hierarchical dominant predators who also happen to be mostly men and well, there you go," but that's not really fair to men.)

On the other hand... I do think she does a fairly good job of not sugarcoating it. It's traumatic for Mercy. It's still an issue for her at least two books after it happens. It's not something she just shrugs off. She does get into a relationship with the guy she's been dancing around with for a while at the end of the same book, but she has to put real effort into being intimate with him because she's still not over it. (There's a period of recovery time that gets elided over a bit; it's not like she gets raped and then hops into bed with Adam the next day. Well, she does, but it's for sleep.) Anna is raped before her series starts, and again, a lot of what we see in her is her working through that to grow closer to Charles.

I guess what I want to say about Mercy's rape is that I do think it was a bit gratuitous but it made sense in the context of the book, and that she tries to handle the aftermath of it with the seriousness it deserves. On the other hand, she does seem to keep doing this to her female protagonists which is annoying and I wish she'd stop. I'll shut up now.

[identity profile] everstar3.livejournal.com 2012-03-30 12:33 am (UTC)(link)
She actually has a letter on her website that says something to the effect of, "So, trying to get into my guardian series? Don't read the first two books! Read Demon Night first and go back to those later!" And she's right: Demon Night's much better than Demon Angel or Demon Moon. She seems to be improving the more she writes, although the penultimate book in the Guardian series currently, Demon Blood, I don't care for. I definitely have to pick up her steampunk stuff at some point.

I know she probably used Nikita because of La Femme Nikita, but I'm not convinced someone from a Slavic background would use it that way. Oh well. I'll just continue clutching my pearls.

Re: TW: Rape

[identity profile] spitphyre.livejournal.com 2012-03-30 12:42 am (UTC)(link)
I sorta almost feel like she got bored halfway through the book and distracted by her other projects and forthcoming baby. There's really no excuse for the rape thing (other than Trope) but that last bit is just sooooo confusing. I haven't read her Succubus Blues series (it's too romancy for me) but the Vampire Academy books were really good as so was the first book in the new spin off series so it's not like she can't wrap up a series...

Re: TW: Rape

[identity profile] elialshadowpine.livejournal.com 2012-03-30 12:43 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I am still trying to wrap my brain around the logic of that last bit that you're describing. I loved the Vampire Academy books (need to get ahold of e-copies so I can finish the damn series because my hands cannot handle hardbacks anymore) ... it's a shame. :-\

[identity profile] everstar3.livejournal.com 2012-03-30 12:45 am (UTC)(link)
Honest to God, one of my favorite things about Toby's series is trying to remember things like, "You see this character's name? How it's written 'Luidaeg'? It's pronounced 'Loo-sha-k.' You're welcome!" Oh, Gaelic, how you confuse me.

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