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Read this to have any clue as to what I'm talking about.

Thank gods for lorazepam. Really, thank gods. It is the only way I am all up in this post (the linked one on the beta forums), arguing back and forth with all the idiots who are screaming "censorhsip!!!" and "coercion/pressure!!" because numerous women have stated that they are uncomfortable with the dialogue of a questgiver as it stands and offered several possible solutions.

I expected a good bit of backlash from men, but it's sad how many women have spoken up to say that they see no problem with a character that hits on you and reduces you to your looks while a male character is complimented on his strength and prowess. Aren't we supposed to be worth more than that?

(I meant to post this earlier this morning but apparently didn't click the post button before I zonked out for the day. Whoops.)

direct link to the forum thread now that it's loading for me again. I'm Eilwyn on there.

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Date: 2012-04-03 12:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] epic-cakes.livejournal.com
I read it as him being a bit flirty. It didn't make me frown or anything... i don't think he'd be calling a male Pandaren "handsome" unless he were written to be gay/bi, you know?

I didn't like him much and hated his solution to the "thorn" at the end of the chain. I found the lady panda (Aya? I've forgotten) to be way cooler.

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Date: 2012-04-03 12:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elialshadowpine.livejournal.com
It was the way that he was flirty that bothered me. Somebody in the thread made a suggestion that it would come off a lot better if he made a comment about your character's poise and grace -- which I agree with (particularly as those are generally things that come with skill and aren't just pure luck of genetics). As it is, it just comes off like your typical bar creep to me.

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Date: 2012-04-03 01:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] epic-cakes.livejournal.com
They ARE built entirely around the culture of drinking ;)

In all seriousness, it would be nice if they made him less creepy towards female toons without totally taking away the big personality character that he is.

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Date: 2012-04-03 02:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elialshadowpine.livejournal.com
Yeah. It's really not that I mind a flirtatious character; I'd just like one that doesn't come off as a sleaze! ;)

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Date: 2012-04-04 12:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] epic-cakes.livejournal.com
There's a female goblin out in Razor Hill who flirts wildly with male players and gets suspicious and mean towards female players and warns them off stealing her boyfriend. Did anyone ever complain about that one?

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Date: 2012-04-04 08:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elialshadowpine.livejournal.com
That's a little different, because men aren't generally threatened by random women who flirt with them, while many women I know (myself included) have had very bad experiences with creepy people flirting in real life and then acting inappropriately. The way the character behaves towards women is problematic, but it's less of an issue of the content being potentially triggering or upsetting to the player as it is that the character is stereotyped. If that makes sense?

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